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<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><title>Marcin Juszkiewicz - gps</title><link href="https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/" rel="alternate"/><link href="https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tag/gps/feed/" rel="self"/><id>https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/</id><updated>2010-02-08T15:15:00+01:00</updated><entry><title>Maemo5 and (lack of) navigation</title><link href="https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/08/maemo5-and-lack-of-navigation/" rel="alternate"/><published>2010-02-08T15:15:00+01:00</published><updated>2010-02-08T15:15:00+01:00</updated><author><name>Marcin Juszkiewicz</name></author><id>tag:marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl,2010-02-08:/2010/02/08/maemo5-and-lack-of-navigation/</id><summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Year ago when I was going to &lt;span class="caps"&gt;FOSDEM&lt;/span&gt; I took my Nokia E66 phone preloaded with Belgium maps to not get lost in Brussels. It was working quite good. This year I took Nokia N900 as the only device to use (no laptop, no other phone) and &lt;span class="caps"&gt;BUG&lt;/span&gt; to show …&lt;/p&gt;</summary><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Year ago when I was going to &lt;span class="caps"&gt;FOSDEM&lt;/span&gt; I took my Nokia E66 phone preloaded with Belgium maps to not get lost in Brussels. It was working quite good. This year I took Nokia N900 as the only device to use (no laptop, no other phone) and &lt;span class="caps"&gt;BUG&lt;/span&gt; to show&amp;nbsp;something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How did N900 worked as navigation device? Terrible! The problem started before travel. I installed whole set of map applications which were&amp;nbsp;available:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ovi&amp;nbsp;Maps&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Maemo&amp;nbsp;Mapper&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Maep&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Mapbuddy&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Navit&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only first one had support to preloading map data (by using Nokia Map Loader under &lt;span class="caps"&gt;MS&lt;/span&gt; Windows). Maemo Mapper had such functionality in &lt;span class="caps"&gt;OS2008&lt;/span&gt; but newer version has something totally broken. Navit required use of extra tool for conversion but after looking at &lt;span class="caps"&gt;UI&lt;/span&gt; I decided that will not even try. Maep and Mapbuddy always fetch from network so roaming costs would kill&amp;nbsp;me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I used Ovi Maps as less bad then others. Lacks of offline &lt;span class="caps"&gt;POI&lt;/span&gt; support suxx, lack of adding own ones suxx even more as in Symbian version I just added few interesting places at home and used them during walking on streets of Brussels. Nokia needs to spend lot of money and developer time if they want to make it&amp;nbsp;usable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So software was more or less disaster but I managed to get to the &amp;#8216;peeing boy&amp;#8217; so (after seeing&amp;#8217; peeing girl&amp;#8217; year ago) that part of tourist attractions is done. Would be nice to have some way of preloading &lt;span class="caps"&gt;AGPS&lt;/span&gt; data as without network connection it takes ages to get&amp;nbsp;fix.&lt;/p&gt;</content><category term="gps"/><category term="maemo"/><category term="n900"/><category term="nokia"/></entry><entry><title>Driving with Ovi Maps</title><link href="https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/11/20/driving-with-ovi-maps/" rel="alternate"/><published>2009-11-20T16:05:00+01:00</published><updated>2009-11-20T16:05:00+01:00</updated><author><name>Marcin Juszkiewicz</name></author><id>tag:marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl,2009-11-20:/2009/11/20/driving-with-ovi-maps/</id><summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;My Symbian based Nokia E66 phone has Ovi Maps installed so one day I decided to make use of routing function in it when I was driving to the town (on a road where I did not needed to be guided). &lt;span class="caps"&gt;BT&lt;/span&gt; headset on ear, paired with phone and let …&lt;/p&gt;</summary><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;My Symbian based Nokia E66 phone has Ovi Maps installed so one day I decided to make use of routing function in it when I was driving to the town (on a road where I did not needed to be guided). &lt;span class="caps"&gt;BT&lt;/span&gt; headset on ear, paired with phone and let&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;drive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At start road was selected quite properly, the problems started later. Many times it was recalculating route (the funniest was when I stopped at traffic lights it recalculated route and then made it again after driving for 5 meters). Directions changes information were also distracting: &amp;#8220;on 200m go left&amp;#8221; then &amp;#8220;go right&amp;#8221; when I reached point. Or &amp;#8220;go left,right&amp;#8221; when it was straight road or when I had to turn right at&amp;nbsp;crossing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to admit that after two tries I totally gave up on driving with it and switched back to TomTom device. But there is one good thing in Ovi Maps &amp;#8212; it works quite good for walk navigation. I used it in many cities abroad and it handled. I hope that Maemo5 version will work at least that good as Symbian&amp;nbsp;one.&lt;/p&gt;</content><category term="car"/><category term="gps"/><category term="maemo"/><category term="nokia"/><category term="phone"/><category term="symbian"/></entry><entry><title>Car navigation with N810</title><link href="https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/05/16/car-navigation-with-n810/" rel="alternate"/><published>2008-05-16T13:51:00+02:00</published><updated>2008-05-16T13:51:00+02:00</updated><author><name>Marcin Juszkiewicz</name></author><id>tag:marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl,2008-05-16:/2008/05/16/car-navigation-with-n810/</id><summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;During last two weeks I did two 250km trips. First Poznań -&amp;gt; Szczecin, then return. Road into both directions is good and it is impossible to get lost but I took my N810 with&amp;nbsp;me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Before trip I started Maemo Mapper to generate route and fetch all needed maps (from Google …&lt;/p&gt;</summary><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;During last two weeks I did two 250km trips. First Poznań -&amp;gt; Szczecin, then return. Road into both directions is good and it is impossible to get lost but I took my N810 with&amp;nbsp;me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Before trip I started Maemo Mapper to generate route and fetch all needed maps (from Google Maps street view). This part was fast. I checked generated route does it have sense and stored on card as there is no offline route generation &amp;#8212; you can do it only online by querying author&amp;#8217;s website which send query to Google Maps, converts and returns &lt;span class="caps"&gt;XML&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, time to go &amp;#8212; I packed car with all our luggage and during that left N810 in car to get &amp;#8220;gps fix&amp;#8221; as internal &lt;span class="caps"&gt;GPS&lt;/span&gt; needs time for this operation. During trip we looked from time to time just to check are we on track. Few times tablet just rebooted which resulted in no &lt;span class="caps"&gt;GPS&lt;/span&gt; fix until next longer stop :( But it does not need to reboot to lose position &amp;#8212; look at our return trip track (clean road, no tunnels&amp;nbsp;etc):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;figure id="__yafg-figure-1"&gt;
&lt;img alt="Maemo mapper with some gps fix locations" loading="lazy" src="/files/2008/05/screenshot01-700x.jpg" title="Maemo mapper with some gps fix locations"&gt;
&lt;figcaption&gt;Maemo mapper with some gps fix locations&lt;/figcaption&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know that there are people who use Nokia tablets for car navigation. But how does it compare to TomTom Navigator which I had occasion to use one&amp;nbsp;day&amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;see.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;table&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Function&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;TomTom&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Maemo Mapper&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Wayfinder&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;price&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;99 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EUR&lt;/span&gt; for &lt;span class="caps"&gt;PDA&lt;/span&gt; edition&lt;sup id="fnref:1"&gt;&lt;a class="footnote-ref" href="#fn:1"&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;free (&lt;span class="caps"&gt;GPL&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;9 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EUR&lt;/span&gt; (1 month)&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;69 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EUR&lt;/span&gt; (year)&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;70 &lt;span class="caps"&gt;EUR&lt;/span&gt; (3 years)&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;1 week free trial&lt;sup id="fnref:2"&gt;&lt;a class="footnote-ref" href="#fn:2"&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;offline routing&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;require licence&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;detour planning&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;finger friendly keyboard&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td&gt;address lists with prediction&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;no such lists&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it looks like I will not buy &lt;span class="caps"&gt;HH&lt;/span&gt;-12 car holder to use N810 for car navigation but rather TomTom device or some Windows &lt;span class="caps"&gt;CE&lt;/span&gt;/Mobile navigator with TomTom software to have something&amp;nbsp;usable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class="footnote"&gt;
&lt;hr&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li id="fn:1"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;often comes pre-installed on Windows Mobile devices&amp;#160;&lt;a class="footnote-backref" href="#fnref:1" title="Jump back to footnote 1 in the text"&gt;&amp;#8617;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li id="fn:2"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;after trial period each run shows requester with &amp;#8220;enter license key or purchase&amp;#8221; and settings window (on right side of screen) is not available&amp;#160;&lt;a class="footnote-backref" href="#fnref:2" title="Jump back to footnote 2 in the text"&gt;&amp;#8617;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;</content><category term="car"/><category term="google"/><category term="gps"/><category term="maemo"/><category term="n810"/><category term="route"/></entry></feed>